# Dalton & Michael: YC founders made these fundraising mistakes

**Author:** Dalton Caldwell and Michael Seibel
**Type:** Video
**URL:** https://www.ycombinator.com/library/DY-dalton-michael-yc-founders-made-these-fundraising-mistakes
**YouTube ID:** 6606a2ka-jQ

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Dalton and Michael talk about fundraising mistakes.   
  
We asked YC founders: Is there a simple fact you wish you knew when you started your company or a rookie mistake you
wish you could take back?

## Transcript

if you look at why the google founders are the google founders and still have all this control over their company you can look all the way back in time to the at the moment of the earliest fundraisers they were not desperate for cash and load leveraged hey this is michael seibel with dalton caldwell and welcome to rookie mistakes we've asked yc founders for their rookie mistakes so we can share them with you and help you avoid them okay so here's the next note that ayc founder wrote in the easiest way to fundraise is to indeed have a good metric that's growing when i ran a

startup that wasn't growing i spoke to 140 investors and only got two angel checks now i'm working on a startup that is growing and almost every well-known vc is trying to figure out how to talk to us it took us one week to raise our seed round i don't know michael i i've heard rumors from around the world that the best time to fundraise is before you have any metrics at all right because once you have any revenue you will be judged on the revenue in all like 97 of the time

the demo the product the mvp the mvp with customers gives you so much more leverage when fundraising 97 of the time well we talk about fear-based decision-making a lot you and i do and we talk about this with a batch and i think a lot of times this is a case of fear-based decision-making if in your heart you believe that your product is bad and that you will fail it makes a ton of rational sense to fundraise before the world figures it out and before the world realizes

you know investors see that you launch it and no one actually wants the thing that you're making you know you know that no one wants a thing you're making in your heart right and so rather than go and try to sell it and get what you're expecting to be really hard to sell yeah you know it's gonna be a hard sell so hey let's just raise before we go try to do it not the best play you know the other common failure path that we see is people putting the investor as the kind of center of this game as opposed to the customer

people thinking the investor is almost the teacher and their job through a pitch or to a deck is to get an a from the teacher and the a's money i think that looking for validation from authority figures is a lot of how we are constructed to look at the world and if you've been an employee or you've gone to school your whole lives a lot of the way you get ahead in life is to figure out who the authority figure is that you need to please and if you please that authority figure it's the path to greatness and so again like if you're like a level

whatever level three engineer at some big company and you like the way you get ahead is to impress the bosses why not kind of pattern match that onto startups not true if i could redirect that energy towards pleasing people's customers yeah people call this customer obsession like it's a buzzword we're customer obsessed but take let's take that literally what does it literally mean to be customer obsessed what it literally means is most of your waking hours who are you thinking about pleasing

it's your customers and you're trying to solve problems from them i think this is a neat trick for an early stage founder audit the amount of time you spent last week talking to your customers building product right if that amount of time in your waking day is like 80 to 90 percent you're probably doing it right if that amount of time in your waking hours or the last week is more like 20 percent you're probably doing something very very wrong all right so here's the next note that a yc founder wrote in raise what you need and nothing more

you will find a way to spend all of the money in your bank stay lean and get your fundamentals right you know a lot of founders think money is like oxygen and you need it to survive you know one of the things that um brian chesky at airbnb told the batch recently is maybe money's more like food you definitely need food to survive but in a lot of places in the world including america people are dying from too much food as opposed to too little food

if you're afraid that bad things are going to happen the idea of stockpiling as much of whatever resources you can as much as possible is totally sane and reasonable the issue is really successful companies the oxygen they have is revenue from their customers and the they're being pulled ahead by customer demand for their product and that is providing the oxygen of growth is like the pull of customers it's funny because like those companies

tend to own more of their company when they ipo or exit those founders tend to be happier they tend to have more innovation because if you don't have as much money you got to innovate you've got to do things better or different than your competitors the biggest difference between what founders own more of their companies than than others is how desperate they ever were in the history of the company to need to raise money and whether they were smart and had leverage and they fundraised and so one crazy story that i don't think most

people know is that facebook was apparently always profitable that even when it was a tiny college social network they had these ads on the site way back in the day that made them profitable and so there was never around that facebook was in trouble and raised on poor terms or raised more money than they needed and so i believe at exit this is kind of why zuckerberg owns so much of the company same with google google had incredible

traction this was a long time ago but i used google when it was google.stanford.edu it was a really popular search engine before they raised a single dollar because they built it when they were grad students and had tons of traction and so the first money they raised was a very good terms and every additional round they raised after that they had incredible leverage and so again if you look at why the google founders are the google founders and still have all this control over their company you can look all the way back in time to the at the moment of the earliest fundraisers they were not

desperate for cash and low leveraged i think that you just hit on this like secret hint to founders who you're comparing yourself to matters like if you're trying to hit a grand slam home run with your startup compare yourself to the people who have hit grand slam home runs instead of comparing yourself with like a local peer group or the company that just raised at a unicorn valuation like other people in your pitch competition yeah god like at a minimum if you're looking for like heroes to

emulate can you copy companies that have at least 100 million in revenue and like preferably a billion there's like so much more you can learn from their stories even if they might be old i guess you know facebook's an old company now but even if they might be older man like you can learn a lot more and like that's what you're trying to emulate you're not trying to emulate the unicorn valuation you're trying to emulate the successful multi-billion revenue company yeah that's really well said michael choosing your peers and choosing

who you want to be like is one of the most powerful things you can do if you're an ambitious person that wants to do things in the world is you get to choose who you want to be like you
